![]() However, once the engine makes it into the frame, it WILL get assembled to the body, no matter what. ![]() They do not do it at that point, just in case their would be a problem on the lines that would require an engine, a frame, or a body to be pulled off. If you thought I was saying that the VIN is put onto the engine on the engine line, then you misunderstood. It gets the VIN from the in-plant computer system. The tool that puts the VIN on the engine and trans, also puts it onto the frame rail in two different locations. That body already has the VIN tag installed prior to windshield install, so the VIN is already determined. By that point in the assembly process, the frame and drivetrain are in sequence with a body going down the trim line. It is performed AFTER the engine and trans have been instaled into the frame. Hope you understand.Sorry, but I disagree, as I have seen this done in the past few months at those two plants. Sometimes we may have to respectfully agree to disagree. Unfortunately, this stuff is old enough that the truth often gets lost in opinions, as there is not many factual ways to double check information. That what TC is about, isn't it? And I would not expect us all to agree, but I will always be willing to keep an open mind if you guys will. But debate is good, that is how we all learn. Anyway, that is just the opinion of this "Crazed Enthusiest." Been called worse, by the way. The sheer number of them that are out there, no way they were all for warranty. These definately exist and were sold through parts service. The CT was probably reserved for a complete trans, and the CC for a bare case. All of these, and I have seen quite a few more than motor blocks, are CC coded, not CT. Also, and I may be opening up a can of worms here, but just like you could buy a fitted block, you could buy a bare Muncie trans case. ![]() I usually trust what I find and authenticate. But I have an engine that was not for warranty, and I have seen many others. And as I said before, that was the primary reason a CE code was there. But I have uncovered plenty of things they told me did not exist before, this would not be the first. It may just be what they know about a particular subject, or what they remember after about 40 years of time has passed. Now as for your guy in Chevrolet management, I too, love to get opinions from the people who were there. If the bottom end went, than only the CE was used. Why were they not specially coded so warranty could be tracked? These complete engine assemblies were available and would be used if the engine blew up so bad that none of it was useable. No attempt was ever made to seperate the warranty replacement engines from the ones purchaced over the counter. Can you imagine the room this would require? Also, if warranty count was the only reason to use a CE code, then the same would apply to completed engines which are coded with a suffix just like a production line engine. They would not stock warranty engines and then just put them in parts service years later. And keep it around 5 years, I'm sorry, that just did not happen, as you got the years block that available when it went bad. With your theory, this would require them to make and stock two different engine block assemblies, one CE, and one without, even though they would essentially be the same. So the code was there for warranty, but many people who were racing, etc, still could buy a CE over the counter. This replacement CE was also still under warranty if used for a warranty purpose and a way needed to be devised to identify it. I cannot buy the usage of them only for warranty, although that was the real reason for the number to be there. I have, however, seen many CE Engine blocks, including numerous NOS examples, some of them in crates. I have seen a lot of engines and have never seen one. Can anyone remember ever seeing a correctly broached non- numbered clean pad ? (Post 1967, as I have seen some previous to that year). I agree with your definition of the CE letters as for Chevrolet Engine, and I agree these were used for warranty service, but I am sorry, I cannot agree on the non-useage in the parts system.
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